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dedics
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Post by dedics »

No I haven't changed any patches on my toppy for ages, It works perfectly for file transfers on a 32 bit winows xp SP2 system computer (the old one) and both small and large files transfer perfectly well.

With the new computer I can transfer small files like mystuff.mei files to and fro with no problem, but when i use antares0.3 to copy a large .rec file the file copying gets to 7,239 and then tries for a while longer and then crashes out.

The toppy then is also stuck in a funny state presumably waiting for something to happen that just isn't... a standby reboot is then needed to clear the toppy.

I will try and copy the error file to show you. but it seems to be crashing out without giving any error messages (perhaps the toppy not responding is enough to upset this...


looking at the disk space free on the toppy according to antares it thinks there are 43.3GB free out of 40.3 GB total, so something's a bit hinckey.... (I have a 300GB disc in my toppy)

(Topset reports 204.37GB free out of 298.08GB total)

Is there a problem with larger toppy disks?

Initially when antares starts, it shows the correct dic space on the toppy but after the failed copy I got ythe wierd disk space figures.

I finally managed to get the error message here it is:

A problem caused this program to stop interacting with Windows.

Problem signature:
Problem Event Name: AppHangB1
Application Name: Antares.exe
Application Version: 0.0.0.0
Application Timestamp: 4c235427
Hang Signature: 0854
Hang Type: 256
OS Version: 6.1.7600.2.0.0.768.3
Locale ID: 2057
Additional Hang Signature 1: 0854d3233eb4c6eb3a1c5fefa9b3a3f1
Additional Hang Signature 2: aa52
Additional Hang Signature 3: aa52c05a6ef080d91bf114da0c2f9889
Additional Hang Signature 4: 0854
Additional Hang Signature 5: 0854d3233eb4c6eb3a1c5fefa9b3a3f1
Additional Hang Signature 6: aa52
Additional Hang Signature 7: aa52c05a6ef080d91bf114da0c2f9889

Maybe we should take this to PM so as not to bore the rest of the forum...

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Post by charliestumpy »

Thankyou for your work and I am sure that I shall in the next day or two try it to have Toppie team up with 64 bit PC.
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Thankyou for helping me/others get new 64 bit Win m/c running with old Toppie - I went the Antares route/much appreciated.
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Post by dedics »

any ideas about my hanging problem as detailed above?

I don't know what else to try. I have a 10m usb connection which was working fine with xp and altair, but antares,altair and topset all crash out on big files with 64bit windows 7. Could the usb accelerator patches be the problem if they are used with a long usb leaqd with repeaters?

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Post by Darucla »

dedics wrote: I have a 10m usb connection which was working fine with xp and altair, but antares,altair and topset all crash out on big files with 64bit windows 7.
Can you try another shorter lead as a test measure? This may then rule the cable out as the source of the problem. I have had no problems using a 1 metre cable on 64 bit 7.
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Post by EMJB »

dedics wrote:Could the usb accelerator patches be the problem if they are used with a long usb leaqd with repeaters?
Very unlikely - they have no effect on the actual speed of transmission - they reduce the processing to be performed by the Toppy, and thus the (previously long) gaps when nothing is being sent.

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Post by dedics »

It's bit hard as the windows 7 machine is a pc in another room thus the long lead....

but I'll try unpluggingg the toppy (not trivial in my house), tomorrow, if I can get the kids to stop watching it for an hour or two...

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Post by gomezz »

dedics wrote:I have a 10m usb connection
5M is the offical maximum length for an unpowered USB cable. If you have had a 10M connection working before you just got lucky.
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He did mention repeaters.
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Post by dedics »

I'm a she actually,
but by judicious use of powered extenders I had managed to get file transfer of all sizes working in both directions and all was working fine for the xp sp2 pc its just the new usb driver seems to have this problem, I'll check using a short lead tomorrow.

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Post by dedics »

I've just tried using a short passive usb lead and large files seem to be copying ok, if a bit slow...

so t looks like it is the cable length that is the problem here, which is a bit of a shame since it's a massive palaver to move the toppy from it's entrenched position under the telly in the living room...

Why should the usb cable length matter?
it worked fine for the xp and drivers before, why should 64bit windows7 be worse?

any ideas or is there something missing in aldarin's tfddll.dll that was in the original driver for xp, or maybe there's more error checking in windows 7 so it falls over because of that?

Don't get me wrong I'm very grateful for the 64bit driver, let's face it, topfield weren't ever going to supply one...

Thanks Aldarin!

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Post by qubits »

dedics wrote: Why should the usb cable length matter?
it worked fine for the xp and drivers before, why should 64bit windows7 be worse?

any ideas or is there something missing in aldarin's tfddll.dll that was in the original driver for xp, or maybe there's more error checking in windows 7 so it falls over because of that?
Considering that you experienced a similar problem with Antares, it is probably not a problem with Aldarin's tfdll.dll since Antares doesn't use that file.

You have never run windows xp on this particular PC have you? It might not be a problem of XP versus 7, but rather one PC versus another. The usb ports inside your XP machine probably have slightly different characteristics to the ones in your windows 7 machine. This wouldn't be noticable under normal circumstances, but when you start stretching the connection to its limit, one usb port might start to fail before the other. I'm not sure if there is an easy way to test this theory out, other than installing XP under a virtual machine, which would mean that the original Topfield drivers could be tried on your new machine.
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Post by dedics »

yes but as this machine is 3 years newer than the old one, I sort of expected it to have better performance... ho hum

I'll check a few other usb sockets to see if there's one that works with the long lead.

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Post by Darucla »

Alternatively, you could go the intermediate network connection route, using something like a Slug, Asus, or, by far the easiest, an NMT of the first or second generation. It may be easier just to keep an old laptop around to do the job.

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Post by Gandalf Greyhelm »

Kudos to Qubits!

Now that I can delete files using Antares it's "bye-bye" Altair!

Again, many thanks for your hard work.

Shane.
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