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Signal Monitor TAP V0.54

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Not surprisingly, newcomers (and even old stagers) find access to the signal levels on the 6 muxes and 2 tuners difficult. How about a TAP which:

(1) Cycles through 6 pre-selelcted channels on Tuner 1 at about 1 channel per 3 seconds, with tuner 2 on the previous tuner 1 channel.

(2) Displays last recorded T1 & T2 signal level and quality as four columns vs the 6 channels.

The channel numbers, associated name on the display, and dwell duration could be ".ini" parameters to allow for Mux changes and use outside UK.

A key could be used to select either average or lowest readings during the update interval.

Anyone know of a TAP which provides anything like these facilities? Anyone feel like making one?

Edit - I have taken up my own challenge and produced the Signal Monitor TAP - see later posts

Edit2 Download link for latest version is http://myweb.tiscali.co.uk/emjbtaps/Sig ... onitor.zip
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Post by nwhitfield »

And for added fun, it will have to detect if it's running on firmware 5.12.99 with loader 5.14, and correct the reported value to take into account the bug in that firmware version...

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Agree that a TAP like this would make diagnosing reception issues a lot easier. I started a thread on how to currently check tuner 2's reception at http://forum.toppy.org.uk/forum/viewtopic.php?t=6518 and it certainly isn't simple!

Also a while back I requested an 'outdoor barometer' style enhanced tech info display for MyStuff (minimum, current and maximum signal & quality levels in an audio peak meters style) but it looks like the team didn't think it worthy. :(

However then I discovered something along the same lines at Infodisplay http://www.tapworld.net/content/view/168/47/. It only has a single channel display though.
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mr-b wrote:However then I discovered something along the same lines at Infodisplay http://www.tapworld.net/content/view/168/47/. It only has a single channel display though.
Its listed in the TAP library on this site, so you needn't have looked that far!
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Sure, but Tapworld has screenshots with the description so I find it easier to see what each TAP does. Plus the description on this site didn't exactly do it any favours, so I must have passed over it previously!
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mr-b wrote:Sure, but Tapworld has screenshots with the description so I find it easier to see what each TAP does. Plus the description on this site didn't exactly do it any favours, so I must have passed over it previously!
Feedback on the library entries always welcome (either as PM to me or a post in the TAP section of the forum) - that way you can help the next generation of users in the way we were helped by those before us!
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mr-b wrote:Sure, but Tapworld has screenshots with the description so I find it easier to see what each TAP does. Plus the description on this site didn't exactly do it any favours, so I must have passed over it previously!
Also TAPWorld welcomes change proposals for descriptions. Also screenshots are very welcomed. PM, email, TAPWorld's contact form...
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EMJB wrote:Feedback on the library entries always welcome (either as PM to me or a post in the TAP section of the forum) - that way you can help the next generation of users in the way we were helped by those before us!
Actually I have left feedback before on the TAP descriptions http://forum.toppy.org.uk/forum/viewtop ... 8561#68561 :-P but no one seemed to be listening. Will remember to post in the TAPs forum now. :-)
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mr-b wrote:Actually I have left feedback before on the TAP descriptions http://forum.toppy.org.uk/forum/viewtop ... 8561#68561 :-P but no one seemed to be listening. Will remember to post in the TAPs forum now. :-)
Sorry to be pedantic, but that post refers to the layout/structure of the site rather than the descriptions of TAPs themselves. The former is something that only Nigel can tackle, whereas I can change the content (and unlike Nigel don't have a living to earn!). Please appreciate that there may be restrictions imposed by the software being used (which I imagine would be a horrific task to change), and that the advantages of a better way of doing things have to be weighed against the problems of locating and changing the existing instructions plus the confusion among those used to the present set-up.

When you make suggestions you must also appreciate that they are your personal opinion, and those who run the site may not agree with them or may simply feel they are not worth the effort for the reasons above. By all means make suggestions, but please don't expect them all to be taken up. I'm afraid there is only one way to get a site that is entirely to your liking, and that is to set up one of your own!
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To return to the original subject, I have picked up my own challenge, and produced my own TAP! It has proved to be a major learning exercise for me, but I think the results may now be of help to others. Download my Signal Monitor TAP at
http://myweb.tiscali.co.uk/emjbtaps/SigMon0_1.zip

The TAP shows minimum, average, and maximum signal levels & qualities for each tuner/Mux combination as follows:

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This TAP probably only works for Bastille firmware & later, and Nigel's post earlier indicates that some people may get erroneous values with .99.

Please check the "readme.txt" before use, and post your commens, problems, and suggestions here.
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my first observation is you've got 100% on some :shock: :?

I thought the toppys own sig strength and quality never got past 99% :? (even when you had 100%)

so is the toppys built in one at fault (misreporting) - or yours ? :?

well done BTW - I don't suppose you would allow viewing of the source code to see what goes on behind the scenes? :D

PS why can't it show overflow (ie EXCESS signal) - is this a hardware limitation?
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MikeyP wrote:my first observation is you've got 100% on some :shock: :?

I thought the toppys own sig strength and quality never got past 99% :? (even when you had 100%)

so is the toppys built in one at fault (misreporting) - or yours ? :?
I just display the value reported by the TAP API. I think you will find that all TAPs report a maximum of 100% - there seems to be a discrepancy between the value displayed by the vanilla Toppy and the values presented to TAPS via the API. 100% as the maximum does seem more logical, however.
MikeyP wrote:I don't suppose you would allow viewing of the source code to see what goes on behind the scenes? :D
Bit shy at present as it is not written to the best software standards. The fiddling around to get it to select the tuner you want is also rather convoluted, so I would end up having to produce software doumentation - the last thing every programmer likes doing!!! However if you have specific questions, ask away by PM and you might get answers.
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Post by bellissimo »

Congrats on your first TAP :) I have been experiencing more signal break up recently (not sure whether this is weather related), so I will give this a whirl tonight.
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EMJB wrote: Bit shy at present as it is not written to the best software standards. The fiddling around to get it to select the tuner you want is also rather convoluted, so I would end up having to produce software doumentation - the last thing every programmer likes doing!!! However if you have specific questions, ask away by PM and you might get answers.
if it gets the job done - it gets the job done :D :wink:
I'm no expert programmer either (even the most accomplished programmer can still learn new things each day?) - just wanted to see what you call and how you go about doing certain things - I just thought a fairly basic (I bet it didn't feel like that when writing it) TAP like this might be easy to follow.

it seems to me you have a peculiar problem on T2/mux2 :? :shock:
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Post by janilxx »

Can I use this image in TAPWorld?

EDIT: I decided to use it. Let me know if this is not ok.
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