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cladder57
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is my toppy on way out

Post by cladder57 »

My toppy shut down and rebooted to the setup screen which i coul;d not get rid of, so i switched off at the plug came back with the setup screen did not seem to have any channels so i retuned and it was ok.
but every now and again it does that file thing, last night it did the same but said it was out of memory.
the psu has been done could it be the hard drive
thanks
TF5800t, IA On, TS On, F/W: MS6 Recommended F/W 12/9/2009
TAPs: PcControl B1.4; EPG2MEI v0.96; MyStuff 6.6; Font Manager 1.0d; Extend v1.7; SecCache (UK) v0.4; EIT Sub (Game) v0.6; MyInfo B5.6; PruneEPG 1.0;
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Post by juwlz »

Out of memory errors (and all sorts of unpredictable crashes because of them) can often be caused by not pruning your channels to a level that the Toppy and MyStuff can cope with. The Toppy is notoriously bad at handling memory overflows.

NB: Memory is NOT your hard drive, so that's unlikely to be the issue.

See Toppy Memory for more details.

Julie
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5810, TS On, F/W: F/W: MS6 Recommended F/W 12/9/2009 +BmCfCtFsR3Z
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Post by Geoff Bacon »

Sounds like channels.

Can you please post your MyInfo Log (ideally before making any changes!)

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TF5800, TS On, F/W: MS6 Recommended F/W 12/9/2009 -Sy+EvEzPePfUUuZ
TAPs: PcControl B1.4; StopExit v1.01; MHEG On/Off A3; QuickJump 1.72; EIT Sub (Game) v0.6; SecCache (UK) v0.4; EPG2MEI v0.96; Font Manager 1.0d; Extend v1.7; WSSkiller V2.12d; MyInfo B5.6; fsSave 1.1; PruneEPG 1.0; MyStuff 6.6-1;
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Post by cladder57 »

all ihave done is retune and deleted a few more tv stations but it just did a file thing twice, once during strickly saturday and sunday much to my wife disgust





MyInfo B5.6 Logging settings etc on: 5/10/2017 at 07:36

Waiting for other TAPs to load and settle

Ini file found
Starting to record data 60 seconds from boot

System ID: 458
TV Output: Type = Auto, Video = RGB, RF Channel = 36
Reported firmware version: TF-NPT 5.13.65T dated Oct 10 2009
Base firmware version: 5.13.65

Running TAPS:
Slot 0: PcControl B1.4 : Toppy control from PC
Slot 1: EPG2MEI v0.96 : Dumps the EPG data to disk as EPG.mei, with changes since last time in EPG_diff.mei
Slot 2: MyStuff 6.6 : UI Replacement
Slot 3: Font Manager 1.0d : Manage TAP Fonts
Slot 4: Extend v1.7 : Uses the Accurate Recording info to extend recordings (safely)
Slot 5: SecCache (UK) v0.4 : Optimal (UK) section caching to reduce the load on the Toppy
Slot 6: EIT Sub (Game) v0.6 : Provides faster, simpler and more robust EIT data collection, except when playing games
Slot 7: MyInfo B5.6 : Displays & records Toppy basic info
Slot 8: PruneEPG 1.0 : Program to remove unnecessary entries from the EIT table
Slots 9 - 15 not used


Installed patch list:- Ab Bf Bq Ce Ck Cp Cw Cy De Ec Ee Ef Ep Er Es F Fm Gm H He Kt Mh Nf Ot P Pc R Ra Re Rh Rp Rs S Sd Sl Sr St T2 Td Te Tf Tp Ts Vr Xp Xw Xl
Firmware MS6 Recommended F/W 12/9/2009 modified thus:
Patch Decode Link - Will explain your patches:
http://www.toppy.org.uk/~simonc/dp.html ... TsVrXpXwXl

Time Mode set to Auto
Time Offset set to Auto

Found 58 TV channels and 23 Radio channels
No channel problems detected
LCNs of programme channels found on Tx Ch 21 are: 10, 20, 21, 26, 27, 30, 34, 37, 44, 54, 58, 59, 61, 66, 70, 83, 203, 211, 724, 727, 728,
LCNs of programme channels found on Tx Ch 24 are: 11, 12, 17, 29, 32, 38, 48, 65, 68, 69, 72, 233, 723, 730,
LCNs of programme channels found on Tx Ch 25 are: 3, 4, 5, 6, 13, 14, 15, 24, 28, 33,
LCNs of programme channels found on Tx Ch 27 are: 18, 19, 25, 31, 39, 47, 71, 73, 79, 84, 206, 234, 711, 712, 713, 714, 715, 716, 717, 718, 725, 731, 732,
LCNs of programme channels found on Tx Ch 28 are: 1, 2, 9, 201, 202, 231, 700, 702, 719, 720, 721, 722, 735,

Interactive On
Timeshift On

Memory - Free: 12 MB, Available: 10 MB
Disk - Total: 932 GB, Free: 795 GB

98 recordings (84 GB) + 21 deleted (19 GB) in 5 folders (+ 0 empty folders)

Time since boot: 0:0:1 (d:h:m)

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TF5800t, IA On, TS On, F/W: MS6 Recommended F/W 12/9/2009
TAPs: PcControl B1.4; EPG2MEI v0.96; MyStuff 6.6; Font Manager 1.0d; Extend v1.7; SecCache (UK) v0.4; EIT Sub (Game) v0.6; MyInfo B5.6; PruneEPG 1.0;
Sig generated by MyInfo on 5/10/17
TF5800t, IA On, TS On, F/W: MS6 Recommended F/W 12/9/2009
TAPs: PcControl B1.4; EPG2MEI v0.96; MyStuff 6.6; Font Manager 1.0d; Extend v1.7; SecCache (UK) v0.4; EIT Sub (Game) v0.6; MyInfo B5.6; PruneEPG 1.0;
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Post by ccs »

You've still got a lot of channels: 58 tv +23 radio.

I'd switch off Interactive and also timeshift if you don't use it.
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TAPs: EIT Sub v0.6; EPG2MEI v0.96; MPDisplayLITE V1.2; MyInfo B5.6; SecCache (UK) v0.4; Extend v1.7; MyStuff 6.6;
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Post by juwlz »

cladder57 wrote:all ihave done is retune
Retuning is very much NOT a minor thing to do on a Toppy.

HOW did you retune? Using the native menu? (A bad idea). Or using EMJB's Channel Organiser TAP? Or the out of date FastScanGUI TAP?

Julie
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5810, TS On, F/W: F/W: MS6 Recommended F/W 12/9/2009 +BmCfCtFsR3Z
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Post by Geoff Bacon »

Your MyInfo log looks ok (although I haven't checked that your LCNs correspond to useful channels).

I suspect that your problem is because you have "Interactive Services" enabled (as shown by the "IA on" near the bottom of the log). This might be because it has always been enabled or possible because you performed a native retune (which restores it an enabled state).

IA caused me a lot of problems earlier this year; it is buggy and can cause all sorts of issues. The recommendation is that you disable it and use the MhegOnOff tap to automatically turn it on when you try to use it (the tap is normally stored in \ProgramFiles\Utilities)

To install the tap, copy it to "\ProgramFiles\Auto Start\" and rename it to MhegOnOffNrb1.tap (note the character case). Then reboot toppy.

Geoff
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TF5800, TS On, F/W: MS6 Recommended F/W 12/9/2009 -Sy+EvEzPePfUUuZ
TAPs: PcControl B1.4; StopExit v1.01; MHEG On/Off A3; QuickJump 1.72; EIT Sub (Game) v0.6; SecCache (UK) v0.4; EPG2MEI v0.96; Font Manager 1.0d; Extend v1.7; WSSkiller V2.12d; MyInfo B5.6; fsSave 1.1; PruneEPG 1.0; MyStuff 6.6-1;
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Post by cladder57 »

i retune using the channel organiser because you can delete all the channels i do not watch, all the shopping, porn and internet, i wanted to do all the radio but wifey listens to them some times, i left the kids ones on for our nephews we some times look after
TF5800t, IA On, TS On, F/W: MS6 Recommended F/W 12/9/2009
TAPs: PcControl B1.4; EPG2MEI v0.96; MyStuff 6.6; Font Manager 1.0d; Extend v1.7; SecCache (UK) v0.4; EIT Sub (Game) v0.6; MyInfo B5.6; PruneEPG 1.0;
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Post by Geoff Bacon »

Your problem is almost 100% down to IA - you don't have to change Time Shifting (TS)

To install the tap, run TopManager and
1) Connection | Browse
2) Click on Utilities (left pane)
3) Position/Hover mouse on Mhegonoff.tap in right pane
4) Press Left mouse button down and, while keeping it down, drag the mouse pointer over "Auto Start" in the left pane. Release the mouse button to drop the file.
5) Click the "Auto Start" folder in left pane
6) Select the MhegOnoff tap file
7) Press F2 and rename it to MhegOnOffNrb1.tap (note the character case).
8 ) reboot toppy.

Note: if you want to, you can also turn off "Interactive Services" in the toppy native Menu | System Settings (at bottom of screen). This will disable it immediately before the tap runs (as opposed to waiting for the tap to disable it)

Geoff
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TF5800, TS On, F/W: MS6 Recommended F/W 12/9/2009 -Sy+EvEzPePfUUuZ
TAPs: PcControl B1.4; StopExit v1.01; MHEG On/Off A3; QuickJump 1.72; EIT Sub (Game) v0.6; SecCache (UK) v0.4; EPG2MEI v0.96; Font Manager 1.0d; Extend v1.7; WSSkiller V2.12d; MyInfo B5.6; fsSave 1.1; PruneEPG 1.0; MyStuff 6.6-1;
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Post by cladder57 »

Thanks for all the help
i looked in utilities and auto start mhegonoff is not there and i switched off on the native menu
TF5800t, IA On, TS On, F/W: MS6 Recommended F/W 12/9/2009
TAPs: PcControl B1.4; EPG2MEI v0.96; MyStuff 6.6; Font Manager 1.0d; Extend v1.7; SecCache (UK) v0.4; EIT Sub (Game) v0.6; MyInfo B5.6; PruneEPG 1.0;
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Post by Geoff Bacon »

Sounds like you were an early adopter of MyStuff 6.6 (the current installer puts the tap in the Utilities subfolder).

Use Top Manager
1) Tools| Install Files| MhegOnOff (this puts it into Auto Start)
2) Connection | Browse
3) Click the "Auto Start" folder in left pane
4) Select the MhegOnoff tap file in the right pane
5) Press F2 and rename it to MhegOnOffNrb1.tap (note the character case).
6) reboot toppy.


Geoff
TopManager program
TF5800, TS On, F/W: MS6 Recommended F/W 12/9/2009 -Sy+EvEzPePfUUuZ
TAPs: PcControl B1.4; StopExit v1.01; MHEG On/Off A3; QuickJump 1.72; EIT Sub (Game) v0.6; SecCache (UK) v0.4; EPG2MEI v0.96; Font Manager 1.0d; Extend v1.7; WSSkiller V2.12d; MyInfo B5.6; fsSave 1.1; PruneEPG 1.0; MyStuff 6.6-1;
Sig generated by EMJB's MyInfo.tap on 3/5/21
cladder57
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Post by cladder57 »

thanks done that see if it works
when i was getting the tap from tools it did the that file thing again but it seems to be there
thanks again
TF5800t, IA On, TS On, F/W: MS6 Recommended F/W 12/9/2009
TAPs: PcControl B1.4; EPG2MEI v0.96; MyStuff 6.6; Font Manager 1.0d; Extend v1.7; SecCache (UK) v0.4; EIT Sub (Game) v0.6; MyInfo B5.6; PruneEPG 1.0;
Sig generated by MyInfo on 5/10/17
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Post by Geoff Bacon »

I wouldn't have expected it to do a "Verifying Files and Folders" (assuming that is what you mean by "that file thing") as you had already disabled IA.

Just in case: Have all the capacitors in the Power Supply Unit (PSU} been replaced ? - if not then contact andyfras.

Geoff
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TF5800, TS On, F/W: MS6 Recommended F/W 12/9/2009 -Sy+EvEzPePfUUuZ
TAPs: PcControl B1.4; StopExit v1.01; MHEG On/Off A3; QuickJump 1.72; EIT Sub (Game) v0.6; SecCache (UK) v0.4; EPG2MEI v0.96; Font Manager 1.0d; Extend v1.7; WSSkiller V2.12d; MyInfo B5.6; fsSave 1.1; PruneEPG 1.0; MyStuff 6.6-1;
Sig generated by EMJB's MyInfo.tap on 3/5/21
cladder57
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Post by cladder57 »

i had all the psu changed and bought a spare but alas i did not mark it so i not sure which one is in there. i have 3 toppys from when i worked shifts to record everything. i like my stuff i think its the best epg
TF5800t, IA On, TS On, F/W: MS6 Recommended F/W 12/9/2009
TAPs: PcControl B1.4; EPG2MEI v0.96; MyStuff 6.6; Font Manager 1.0d; Extend v1.7; SecCache (UK) v0.4; EIT Sub (Game) v0.6; MyInfo B5.6; PruneEPG 1.0;
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Post by ccs »

All 18 caps on a 5800 are now recommended to be replaced.
TF5810, F/W: MS6 Recommended F/W 12/9/2009 -FmXl+CtEzIScVdZ
TAPs: EIT Sub v0.6; EPG2MEI v0.96; MPDisplayLITE V1.2; MyInfo B5.6; SecCache (UK) v0.4; Extend v1.7; MyStuff 6.6;
Sig generated by MyInfo on 20/10/14
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