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Fans Fitted to 2 T5800's

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I have a 4 year old 160Gb TF5800 (fitted with a 500Gb Samsung Ecogreen HDD) and a 250Gb TF5800(age unknown, with a original 250Gb Samsung HDD)
I had to change the PSU capacitors on the 160Gb as it failed, while diagnosing the problem I noticed the PSU and HDD were pretty hot, once I had it working again I ran HDDInfo on both machines and got these temperatures
160Gb was 34° (running 24/7 with timeshifting on)
250Gb was 53° (running 24/7 with timeshifting on)

Decided to change the capacitors on the 250Gb and fit fans to both.
Got a capacitor kit from "andyfras" (excellent service :D ) and ordered 2 of these fans from eBay (£6.99 each with free delivery) CLICKY

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Size : 60x60x25mm
Weight : 60g
Operating Voltage : 6-12,0 V
Start Voltage : 9 Volt
Input Power : 0,6 Watt
RPM at 12V : 1600 ( /- 10%)
Airflow max. m /h : 18 m/h
Acoustical Noise (dB/A) : 11 dB/A
MTBF (25 deg C) : 30 000 Std.
Connector : 3 Pin Molex incl. RPM signal
They turned out to be a good choice, very quiet (virtually inaudible right next to the toppy) and come with silicon rubber insulating mounts, only problem was the 3 pin connector and that was easy to sort.

After a bit of experimenting and temperature checks I decided to mount the fan under the HDD, here's what I did
After deciding on the position I cut a hole in the base
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Fan mounted
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Then enlarged the holes in the HDD mounting plate directly above the fan
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500Gb HDD fitted and connected
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The 250Gb was a bit tighter for room due to the standard IDE cable, but still OK
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Now the results, reading taken after both machines had been on continuously for 48 hrs with timeshifting on
250Gb T5800 (with original 250Gb Samsung HDD)
Before.........After
53°.............30°
160Gb T5800 (fitted with 500Gb Samsung Ecogreen HDD)
34°.............26°

Well worth the effort IMHO, I'm very pleased with the results, both should be good for many more years now.

:D :D :D
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Post by andyfras »

What are those big gold capacitors that you used on the first Toppy?
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Post by jimi »

Andy
They are 130°Samwha VA series caps, I bought them from Rapid Electronics ( before I found out you supplied kits) they are physically bigger than the ones (Panasonic ?) that you supply.
The 1000µF 25v ones are 12.5mm which makes them a bit awkward to fit, especially C17 and C18, I had to space them slightly off the board to get them in, you can see in the pic that C17 is tight to the heatsink and the cap to the right, C18 is sitting slightly higher.
In light of my results with the fan I'd say it's probably not worth effort for the slightly higher temp spec, also the VA range of values available from Rapid seems a bit limited.
Yours were a doddle to fit in comparison :D
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Post by andyfras »

The ones I supply are a mixture of Panasonic and Rubycon, 105°C low impedance.

What voltage are you running the fans on?
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They are 12v and I'm running them on 12v, they are relatively slow anyway 1600 rpm ( /- 10%) If I listen closely right next to the box (in a very quiet room) I can just hear the fan running, any more than a foot away I can't hear it :D
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Quick question - which direction is air flow? Sucking air in from underneath?
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mstombs wrote:Quick question - which direction is air flow? Sucking air in from underneath?
Quick answer :)
Yes
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Re: Fans Fitted to 2 T5800's

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jimi wrote:I have a 4 year old 160Gb T5800 (fitted with a 500Gb Samsung Ecogreen HDD) and a 250Gb T5800(age unknown, with a original 250Gb Samsung HDD)
I had to change the PSU capacitors on the 160Gb as it failed, while diagnosing the problem I noticed the PSU and HDD were pretty hot, once I had it working again I ran HDDInfo on both machines and got these temperatures
160Gb was 34° (running 24/7 with timeshifting on)
250Gb was 53° (running 24/7 with timeshifting on)
I want to also check my hard disk and I had HDDinfo v2.2 lying around.
But when I started it on my TF5700HDMI it froze the picture and completely locked up the box.
Had to use the suspend button, which brought up the infamous dots on the displa and the file system check on startup afterwards. :(

The toppy has a 500 GB PATA drive fitted (Western Digital) and had its PSU fixed just about 2 months ago.

I have failed to locate a current version of HDDinfo, so which version are you using and where did you get it from???
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Re: Fans Fitted to 2 T5800's

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Bob_Swede wrote: I have failed to locate a current version of HDDinfo, so which version are you using and where did you get it from???
Tapworld
http://www.tapworld.net/index.php?optio ... iew&id=163
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Thanks, retrieved version 2.3a and then also shut down MyStuff and EPG2MEI before testing.
Now I got a whole bunch of numbers, temperature being one...
But there are three columns with temperature numbers:
80, 77 and 67 respectively.
Does this mean that my drive is working at 80 C or 67 C???
Should anyway mean a fair chance of failing soon, right?
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Temperature is the one in the RAW column
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Bob_Swede wrote: But there are three columns with temperature numbers:
80, 77 and 67 respectively.
The figure in the RAW column which updates in real time.
67 C???
Should anyway mean a fair chance of failing soon, right?
67C! Most disks are specified at 60C working temperature. With a 80mm fan in my box (fitted to the inside of the top cover) my disk runs at below 40C. When I first fitted a fan the temperature dropped by 15C.

Make sure that your Toppy is not standing on top of other equipment that runs warm and make sure that there is plenty of free air space around the box.
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Update
7 years later, still running the same fans and hard drives, no heat problems at all, fans are still quiet. 8)
Here's a link for the current version of the fans I used
https://www.overclockers.co.uk/noiseblo ... 19-nb.html and only £3.95 each (didn't check the postage)
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Case mods?

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Hi jimi

Thanks for the tip over on the hard drive thread.

I have two toppys. I've been lucky with power supplies I think as my Toppys do not have anything powered they sit on and are on open shelves. However, one has just required PSU caps and the other needs a new hard disk so thought I'd do fans. I am reusing one from a Humax but got one of the ones you used for the other. It was out of stock at overclockers but I got it from here for a few pence more (inc shipping)

https://www.memoryc.co.uk/29345-noisebl ... e-fan.html
£7.12 inc economy shipping which took an age as from Eire; luckily no customs duty.

Anyway, my question - as you drilled the case did you remove all the electronics? I'm concerned about the swarf but could use a vacuum cleaner to catch that, however there is still the vibration.

Thanks.

Phil
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Hi Phil
Yes I removed both the circuit boards and the hard drive mounting frame before making the hole, didn't want to risk damaging the boards. easy enough to remove, a few screws and a couple of plugs.
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