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Post by nunhead_man »

OK - thanks - see the "empty" tap - but one of the posters refers to "You install EmptySettings via the old method, TFDN-USB - which does not come up on google - can anyone give me another name for this or point me to a reference?

And assume this process removes the data from the drive?
Warmly

Andy


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TAPs: PcControl B1.4; EPG2MEI v0.96; MyStuff 6.6; Font Manager 1.0d; Extend v1.7; SecCache (UK) v0.4; EIT Sub (Game) v0.6; MHEG On/Off A3; MyInfo B5.6; PruneEPG 1.0;
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Post by juwlz »

nunhead_man wrote:OK - thanks - see the "empty" tap -
It's installed as if it was firmware, not a TAP
but one of the posters refers to "You install EmptySettings via the old method, TFDN-USB
It's one of the programs installed along with Altair. Look in the Topfield group from All Programs on your PC.

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Post by nunhead_man »

Hi there

Thanks again

Did another hour last night and having run "emptytap" got the box running and then did a reinstall of "myspace" using the full installer including firmware, and then ran Tap Commander to clear out unwanted channels.

EPG has some gaps but have just left it to sort itself out

Updated sig to reflect myinfo log

Any thoughts on anything else I should do?
Warmly

Andy


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TAPs: PcControl B1.4; EPG2MEI v0.96; MyStuff 6.6; Font Manager 1.0d; Extend v1.7; SecCache (UK) v0.4; EIT Sub (Game) v0.6; MHEG On/Off A3; MyInfo B5.6; PruneEPG 1.0;
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Post by juwlz »

nunhead_man wrote:Any thoughts on anything else I should do?
Tell us whether it's working?
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Post by nunhead_man »

Thanks - seemed to be when I went out to work but when I get home who knows? javascript:emoticon(':)')
Warmly

Andy


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Post by nunhead_man »

Home she say no it (expletive deleted) is not fixed - "L" roundel showing and box hung again - and if it were not difficult to get glaziers over Easter the "thing" would be in the front garden!
Warmly

Andy


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TAPs: PcControl B1.4; EPG2MEI v0.96; MyStuff 6.6; Font Manager 1.0d; Extend v1.7; SecCache (UK) v0.4; EIT Sub (Game) v0.6; MHEG On/Off A3; MyInfo B5.6; PruneEPG 1.0;
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Post by juwlz »

OK. Let's try this:

Reboot the box, and hold down the 0 key until it's fully started up. This will prevent all TAPs from loading.

Use Altair to delete EPG.mei.

Install the [Pe] patch (easiest way is to copy PlugEIT_05.tfp (the patch file) to /ProgramFiles/InstallerFirmware/Add, Download the FWLoad TAP, unzip it and copy the TAP to /ProgramFiles on the Toppy, and then run it).

While you're running Altair, look for any .lnk (link) files in /ProgramFiles/Settings/MyStuff and its subdirectories, and delete them all (they should all be 0 byte files).

Finally, reboot.

You won't have any EPG to begin with (if you leave the remote alone, it'll perhaps take half an hour to populate).

Julie
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Post by nunhead_man »

OK - peace restored at home as booting holding down "0" got us through Holby City!

So .......
1) Reboot the box, and hold down the 0 key until it's fully started up - already there

2) Use Altair to delete EPG.mei - sure - for about the tenth time

3) Install the [Pe] patch (easiest way is to copy PlugEIT_05.tfp (the patch file) to /ProgramFiles/InstallerFirmware/Add, Download the FWLoad TAP, unzip it and copy the TAP to /ProgramFiles on the Toppy, and then run it) - OK

But there are other files in </Add> - is that OK?

And how do I run FWLoad without rebooting with TAPS? Because when I do it hangs again
Warmly

Andy


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Post by ccs »

nunhead_man wrote:And how do I run FWLoad without rebooting with TAPS? Because when I do it hangs again
Reboot tapless as before and then try these instructions.
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Post by nunhead_man »

Thanks again - that worked - I'm afraid "l" still hangs - but I'll try the sequence above again later
Warmly

Andy


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Post by juwlz »

nunhead_man wrote:3) Install the [Pe] patch (easiest way is to copy PlugEIT_05.tfp (the patch file) to /ProgramFiles/InstallerFirmware/Add, Download the FWLoad TAP, unzip it and copy the TAP to /ProgramFiles on the Toppy, and then run it) - OK

But there are other files in </Add> - is that OK?
Yes, that's fine. They're probably the MyStuff-specific ones, and there's no problem trying to install a patch you've already got.
And how do I run FWLoad without rebooting with TAPS?
Don't put it in Auto Start (or it'll self-delete), and with no TAPs loaded, press Archive, then << to get to /ProgramFiles, use up and down arrows to get to the TAP you want to run (i.e. FWLoad) and press OK.

After you've rebooted again, give it a few minutes and post your updated MyInfo log.txt. If MyStuff still won't load, take it out of Auto Start and reboot again.

If you still can't load MyStuff after all that, I think it's possible that you may need to start thinking in terms of a hardware problem.

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Post by nunhead_man »

Thanks again

Well it works without all TAPS and not with them I'm afraid. Just got back in and it is stuck on BBC2 and does not respond to the hand-held except to saying "wait" in the Toppy LCD window after pressing the "go to standby" button.

And I cannot therefore get through Altair to move the Mystuff tap - will do that tomorrow

Any idea what kind of hardware problem? Is there a hardware guide anywhere about the way the memory works, what software is in use etc?
Warmly

Andy


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Post by juwlz »

nunhead_man wrote:And I cannot therefore get through Altair to move the Mystuff tap - will do that tomorrow
You don't need Altair to move a TAP. Boot without TAPs (hold down 0), go to archive, press << to get to ProgramFiles, navigate to Auto Start, and use the yellow button to move MyStuff.tap to its parent folder.

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Post by juwlz »

Did you install the [Pe] TAP?

Once you've moved MyStuff out of Auto Start and rebooted again, could you post an updated MyInfo log. (Bearing in mind you claim to have installed "emptytap" rather than EmptySettings, "Myspace" instead of MyStuff, and used TapCommander to clear out channels (that's not what it does), I'd like to see what MyInfo thinks you've got now ;-).)

Also, please confirm you have deleted all the MyStuff .lnk files.

Have you deleted all the dross channels? This is very important on a 5810 running MyStuff. The more you have, the more memory MyStuff needs to run, and the 5810 doesn't have a lot. Again, MyInfo 5.0 onwards will tell us information about your channels on your Toppy. (And no, there isn't any documentation on how the memory handling works.)

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Post by nunhead_man »

OK - now with some leisure ........

1) Re Did you install the [Pe] TAP - if you mean the Pe patch with the FWLoad TAP, then yes

2) moved MyStuff out of Auto Start into <program files> and rebooted

3) On names sorry - obviously tired -

re "emptytap" rather than EmptySettings" that went into <auto start> and now gone,
re "Myspace" instead of MyStuff" - sorry!,
re "used TapCommander to clear out channels" in fact t'was channel organiser - have redone since most recent epg.mei delete and re-load
re "please confirm you have deleted all the MyStuff .lnk files" - often!!

Updated MyInfo log here - odd - does not seem to show "Channel Organiser which I have just run

...........................
MyInfo B5.0 Logging settings etc on 1/4/2010 at 17:51

Ini file found
System ID: 457
TV Output: Type = PAL, Video = RGB
Reported firmware version: TF-NPT 5.15.09T dated Oct 10 2009
Base firmware version: 5.15.09

Running TAPS:
Slot 0: EPG2MEI v0.96 : Dumps the EPG data to disk as EPG.mei, with changes since last time in EPG_diff.mei
Slot 1: Font Manager 1.0d : Manage TAP Fonts
Slot 2: Extend v1.7 : Uses the Accurate Recording info to extend recordings (safely)
Slot 3: MyInfo B5.0 : Displays & records Toppy basic info
Slot 4: TAP Commander 1.34 : Configure and manage TAPs
Slots 5 - 15 not used

Installed patch list:- Ab Af Bf Bq C0 Ce Ck Cp Cw De Ec Ef Eg Em Ep Er Es Ev F Fm Gm H He Kt Mh Nf Ot Pc Pe R Ra Rh Rm Rp Rs S Sd Sf Sl Sr Sx Td Te Tf Tp Tq Tt Vr Xw Xl
Firmware 5.15.09T 4/9/2009 modified thus: +Cp+De+Pe+Sl
Patch Decode Links - Will explain your patches:
5.15.09T 4/9/2009 :- http://www.toppy.org.uk/~simonc/dp.html ... TqTtVrXwXl
Extra patches:- http://www.toppy.org.uk/~simonc/dp.html?p=CpDePeSl

Found 62 TV & 23 radio channels
No channel problems detected
LCNs of programme channels found on Tx Ch 22 are: 3, 4, 5, 6, 13, 14, 28, 33, 100, 106, 728,
LCNs of programme channels found on Tx Ch 25 are: 1, 2, 7, 70, 80, 105,
LCNs of programme channels found on Tx Ch 28 are: 9, 71, 81, 87, 301, 303, 700, 701, 702, 703, 704, 705, 706, 707, 708, 709, 710,
LCNs of programme channels found on Tx Ch 29 are: 12, 15, 18, 21, 22, 24, 25, 35, 40, 89, 94, 300, 711, 713, 714, 715, 716, 718, 722,
LCNs of programme channels found on Tx Ch 32 are: 10, 16, 17, 20, 26, 30, 31, 34, 38, 72, 84, 93, 98, 101, 109, 307, 308, 309, 712,
LCNs of programme channels found on Tx Ch 34 are: 11, 19, 29, 41, 82, 83, 90, 95, 108, 306, 723, 725, 727,

Interactive Off
Timeshift On

Memory - Free: 13 MB, Available: 13 MB
Disk - Total: 465 GB, Free: 172 GB

234 recordings (296 GB) + 0 deleted (0 GB) in 1 folders (+ 0 empty folders)

Time since boot: 0:0:1 (d:h:m)

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re deleted all the dross channels - some yes - but do I need to do more?

Best to all
Warmly

Andy


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