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Using 2 Toppies: RemExt patch, RemoteExtender Toppy2 TAP

Post by juwlz »

Having taken advantage of John Lewis selling off 5800s cheap, I now have an old 160GB silver Toppy and a new Black Panther 250GB. I have set up the new one with the same firmware and TAPs (for the time-being) in a separate room for now, but I've decided to keep the new Toppy in the lounge with the old one in the short-medium term, at least partly so that I can put dodgy new MyStuff versions on one, while using the other for "serious" recording. We also have a whole bunch of recordings on the old one that I don't intend to laboriously transfer to the new one, so still want to be able to watch those in comfort.

I see elsewhere in the forums that the RemExt patch (which I have installed) potentially makes the Toppy2 version of the Remote Extender TAP obsolete, but it also says that a TAP would be needed to actually set/access the codes for the second Toppy.

Does such a TAP exist? Presumably those who were previously using Toppy2 are still using something, but I haven't managed to track down who they are.

(Then my next problem is working out whether we can set up explicit key codes on the Harmony, or (if necessary) on the old OneForAll that I unearthed last week, but that's another story.)

All help and suggestions gratefully received.

Thanks
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Post by simonc »

RemExt replaces the non Toppy2 version. Possibly what you're thinking of is Firebird's RemoteSwitch TAP that switches the front panel into another of the 4 different remote receiver modes. So, 2 possibilities for the new box:
1. Remote Extender Toppy 2 and don't patch RemExt.
2. RemoteSwitch and optionally patch RemExt.
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Post by R2-D2 »

Your best bet is to talk to BobD, who already has a two Toppy setup for a MyStuff user. Do you know him? :lol:

As simonc says, you can switch remote sets that the Toppy responds to (which is how the TF5810 can be used in conjunction with a TF5800), but your problem will be finding the codes to use for the alternate remote sets. You could, for example, borrow a TF5810 remote and learn the codes from that, then use something like the [Rx] patch on one Toppy.
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R2-D2 wrote:Your best bet is to talk to BobD, who already has a two Toppy setup for a MyStuff user. Do you know him? :lol:
Vaguely, but he's disappeared off somewhere for the week. Said something about possibly not even doing any coding. The cheek of it! :roll: :lol:
And actually, I'm not sure that he keeps his in the same room anyway.
R2-D2 wrote:As simonc says, you can switch remote sets that the Toppy responds to (which is how the TF5810 can be used in conjunction with a TF5800), but your problem will be finding the codes to use for the alternate remote sets. You could, for example, borrow a TF5810 remote and learn the codes from that, then use something like the [Rx] patch on one Toppy.
Hmm. I had a feeling it wasn't going to be as easy as I first thought. I feel a low-tech solution coming on ;-)

Thanks to you both.
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Post by simonc »

Flaps of card gaffer taped over the IR sensor, eh?
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Post by underquark »

What old OFA remote do you have (there's often a number on the battery box lid or inside it)? If it's one of the ones with a modem then it might be possible to create a WAV file upgrade with the Toppy2 codes in it.
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Post by mike.hinson »

juwlz wrote:...I feel a low-tech solution coming on ;-)...
I have a handy piece of thick black cardboard cut and folded to the right shape.

It is very clear which Toppy is in use to everyone that way & it works with any test setup regardless of patches & taps being tested, and you get the regular exercise of moving from sofa to Toppy :D

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Post by underquark »

What about getting two miniature remote-controlled garage doors to cover and uncover the Toppies' IR receivers?

Or you could have this bad boy crawl over the IR port you wish to occlude.
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mike.hinson wrote:I have a handy piece of thick black cardboard cut and folded to the right shape.
It is very clear which Toppy is in use to everyone that way & it works with any test setup regardless of patches & taps being tested, and you get the regular exercise of moving from sofa to Toppy :D /\/\
A combination of something like that, and judicious use of the OFF switch was the sort of thing I had in mind ;-). Of course, the off switch approach won't work if both machines are recording - hence the need for additional measures. Since you're clearly an expert, what is your interpretation of "the right shape"?
underquark wrote:What old OFA remote do you have (there's often a number on the battery box lid or inside it)? If it's one of the ones with a modem then it might be possible to create a WAV file upgrade with the Toppy2 codes in it.
It's a URC-7560. Quite advanced for its time, I think, with the Home Theater (sic) option, so you could program some of the keys to affect the TV and others to affect the good ol' VCR without having to keep pressing buttons to switch from one to the other. It even has 8 extra buttons hidden under a flap, so I can still have a White button! ;-) ... assuming the thing still works, of course. Mind you, it's a bit of a chunky beast! No sign or recollection of a modem though.

Looking at the annotations for the extra buttons, it looks as though I got it while I was using the Hitachi FX770E VCR as my recording device, which in itself was a clever machine that did indexing and kept track of what recordings were on what tapes etc. Never caught on, and then eventually got superseded by DVD recorders and those newfangled PVR thingies ;-)

Nostalgia over. Normal service will be resumed shortly.

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Post by juwlz »

Oh dear. In response to Underquark's suggestions re remote controlled mini garage doors, spiders, etc., Andy (my other half) is proposing a very Heath Robinson solution involving ejecting CD trays, strings, pulleys and a bit of something to obscure one IR receiver or the other.
I suspect it will spend a long time in planning, and never make it off the drawing board ;-)

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Post by R2-D2 »

juwlz wrote:a bit of something to obscure one IR receiver or the other.
Hmm... is LED light polarized? I don't think it is, so maybe you could attach a few bits of polarizing filter to remote + 2 sensors, with one of the sensor's filters set at 90 degrees. Then hold the remote normally for one Toppy and rotate 90 degrees for the other. Would that work? :? :)
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Post by mike.hinson »

juwlz wrote:...what is your interpretation of "the right shape"?
My cardboard is stiff enough to hold a "U" shape, it is 15cm wide & tucks under the Toppy and over the Toppy 4.5cm. It has a tiny bit of blu-tack to hold the top down neatly.

The remote will go through some thin card paticularly some colours so mine is black.

The Toppy coming on and switching the TV to that channel is a bit of a pain at first, but the family have got that sussed & know exactly how to swap back in a few seconds and skip back a few seconds without complaining now.

I like the polarising filter idea, but I fear it might reduce the sensitivity & cause another sort of anoyance, also refelcted IR would be less polarised and since the potential for bad things happening is severe I think I will stick to my physical obstruction unless tests are very conclusive.

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Post by Andy K »

key stopper is a simple TAP. When the SAT button is pressed it ignores all keys except SAT.

you could run this on one toppy.

probably not much good for you though
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Post by underquark »

R2-D2 wrote:Hmm... is LED light polarized? I don't think it is, so maybe you could attach a few bits of polarizing filter to...
Sure, but go look up the price of IR polarizing filters. Normal light polarizing filters are too opaque to IR, I think.
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juwlz wrote:It's a URC-7560......No sign or recollection of a modem though.
Look closer! The modem is built-in. It was originally designed for over-the-telephone upgrades. You can play a WAV file through your PC speaker and the modem picks it up to store it in the remote's EEPROM. Has to be a WAV file (no MP3's) and has to be a normal speaker as I think it's actually the magnetic coil of the speaker interacting with a magnetic wire loop in the remote. If I get time I might try to find my old URC7562 and see if I can knock up a WAV file. On the JP1 site all the software and even the Toppy2 upgrade are there somewhere.
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