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cdmackay
Posted: Thu Mar 20, 2008 6:04 pm Reply with quote
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In case anyone is interested...

One For All 12 Universal Remote URC-7781 - working fine with my TF5800

My original remote died last night; somewhat of an emergency as you might imagine Smile

Turbosat offer a replacement, at 35, but I wondered how long it would take to arrive, given the holiday weekend.

I saw much talk of success with the One For All URC-7555, but could not find that locally. Very cheap on the web, but again, delivery...

Found the fancy current One For All model, a 12-way controller, the URC-7781, in Argos for 30. Took a chance, and I'm glad I did, as it seems to work perfectly, using the codes and Magic programming suggested elsewhere in these threads for the URC-7555.

Edit: these are:

http://forum.toppy.org.uk/forum/viewtopic.php?t=7564
http://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/Topfield_5800/Universal_remotes/One_For_All_URC-7555
http://www.hifi-remote.com/forums/dload.php?action=download&file_id=4154

So I'm no longer in trouble with the women Smile

and it's a nice remote; a bit glossy for my tastes, but the buttons light up and there's a wee 2-line LCD screen. Has 8 "tape transport" keys, the 4 colour keys, Menu, Guide, Exit & 16/9, and 4 spare keys for further programming. So, not quite as many keys as I have on my (dead) Toppy remote, but almost.

and it has macros, learning, and a host of other features, which should do me for a while...


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underquark
Posted: Fri Mar 21, 2008 8:41 am Reply with quote
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And for anyone wondering about connecting this remote to a PC (JP1.2 cable would be most likely) then it hasn't been hacked yet but it's only a matter of time and some user input; see here if interested.

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pete77
Posted: Fri Mar 21, 2008 12:00 pm Reply with quote
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Excuse my ignorance, but why would I want to connect a remote control to a PC, especially by cable?

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Sebby
Posted: Fri Mar 21, 2008 12:24 pm Reply with quote
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To programme easily, I think is the main reason. Smile

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underquark
Posted: Fri Mar 21, 2008 2:40 pm Reply with quote
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It's a programmable remote that will support the operation of 12 different devices. Pretty good out of the box but these types of remote (mainly made/sold by OneForAll) have huge potential when linked to a PC (or a Mac) and programmed to a user's exact needs. Cables cost $40 or so mailed from US or you can build your own if you like that sort of thing (I did but at $40 for a complete cable with USB chip then I think I'd just buy one now and I'd also get a cheaper remote from the US). see here if you're interested.

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pete77
Posted: Sat Mar 22, 2008 2:00 pm Reply with quote
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Oh, I get it (I think). The cable connection is to enable the remote to be programmed via the PC, rather than some of the PC's functions being controlled by the remote. Ah - such enlightenment.

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underquark
Posted: Sat Mar 22, 2008 7:50 pm Reply with quote
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Correct. A lot of devices (including the Toppy) are supported by built-in codes in the remote's ROM but you'd be lucky to find all of the functions that you want for a given device, let alone assigned to the buttons of your choice. These remotes allow you to learn functions from the original remotes but when you get into the realms of twelve devices (even five might be a push depending on the device) then you can run out of learning memory. Programming via a cable substitutes codes of a few bytes for the learned signals which can take up hundreds of bytes each. Additionally it's easier to keep track of functions and button assignments, you can make a backup in case it all goes wrong and you can assign macro's etc. with ease compared to entering them via the remote's own keys.

There are other remotes that are programmable, it's just that this family of remotes has a vast and knowledgeable user-base plus free software - a bit like the Toppy community, in fact. And they're cheap (the remotes, that is, not the members of the Toppy community). Wink

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pete77
Posted: Sun Mar 23, 2008 5:11 pm Reply with quote
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Thanks for the explanation.

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cdmackay
Posted: Mon Mar 24, 2008 3:03 am Reply with quote
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yes, thanks for that, I didn't realise about the memory saving.

I quite like the feature of having *two* devices on the remote for my single Toppy: one for general family use, with the common functions, and one for me with some of the less often used functions. That gets around it being 3 or 4 buttons short, too...

Ironically, the fact that it doesn't *require* a PC to be programmed was a big thing for me, as that normally then required Windows, and I'm a Linux shop, here.

after a few days fiddling, am now really delighted with the remote, has replaced 6 other remotes here, and looks much nicer, and a fiver cheaper, than a replacement from Turbosat (which sadly now seems to be very overpriced)

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underquark
Posted: Mon Mar 24, 2008 9:59 am Reply with quote
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The JP1.x stuff is mostly Windows but Linux has some support - see here. The Mac gets a look-in too, if anyone wants to do a search.

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cdmackay
Posted: Tue Mar 25, 2008 11:17 am Reply with quote
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thanks much...

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quartermain
Posted: Thu Mar 27, 2008 2:29 pm Reply with quote
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I set up my 7555 in a pseudo-activity mode. The TV device key is used for watching Freeview. The power button controls the TV power, another button controls the TV aspect ratio, the volume up/down and mute control the AV amplifier and all the others control the Toppy. There is a macro on the TV device key which switches a SCART switchbox to select the Toppy and switches the AV amplifier likewise.

I have similar setups on the other four buttons for controlling a DVD recorder, Sky box, Hauppauge MediaMVP player and a Squeezebox. All works fine except the macros on the device keys, which are unreliable.

For the Toppy I tend to use shifted buttons for the more dangerous activities, so White is Shift-Yellow. But so far I have not found a way to prevent SWMBO from accidentally adding things to UK Auto Sheduler so I have to go through it every couple days deleting the additions.
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cdmackay
Posted: Thu Mar 27, 2008 2:46 pm Reply with quote
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interesting, thanks.

the 7781 seems not to have shifted-buttons for Magic keys, but only for Learned keys. since my original toppy remote died, I can't do any learning, and had to program it via Magic.

but maybe I'm wrong - need to revisit manual...

ta.

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underquark
Posted: Thu Mar 27, 2008 3:55 pm Reply with quote
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Few built-in codes will have functions assigned to shifted keys. You can, however, learn functions to most keys as shifted (press Magic and then the key - the manual will say which ones are off-limits). If you program via cable you can also use "XShifted" keys on many of these remotes as there are more memory spaces allocated than there are buttons. Rather than stacking three functions per button, though, the commonest use of XShifted is to perform as part of a macro or as a double/single or long/short key-press routine. Long press of Guide on my URC8820, for instance, sends a series of signals that change TV source to AV4 and call up the Toppy MS EPG. A short-press just sends "Guide" to the native device, be it TV, Freeview box or DVD player (which in my case calls the Title menu of the DVD).

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cdmackay
Posted: Thu Mar 27, 2008 4:02 pm Reply with quote
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thanks again, I need to look at it in more detail, ta.

I've also used a "mixed" setup, as you suggest, and was able to stop the girls accidentally turning off the Toppy, which I like to leave on all the time.

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TAPs: TF5000 Display v1.50b; EPG2MEI v0.96; Extend v1.7; QuickJump 1.72; MyStuff 6.2; MyInfo B5.4;
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