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jonnyw
Posted: Sun Apr 15, 2018 11:09 am Reply with quote
Joined: 12 Feb 2010 Posts: 18
I recently re-scanned for new channels (for the first time in a few years - reasons in my other thread), and have got into a bit of a pickle!

I did the scan, by doing a factory reset and using the Topfield software to manually scan for the channels, based on the info from the digitaluk site.

I have a few issues:
1) Not all channels are shown in the MyStuff 6.6 EPG*, however I can access missing channels (e.g. 601) by going to them directly. If I'm viewing a 'missing' channel, clicking the EPG shows all the other missing channels. If I'm viewing a regular channel, the EPG doesn't show the 'missing' channels.

*Last time I rescanned, I remember deleting the shopping channels afterwards (using the favourites list on the Toppy), then I'm pretty sure I used something on my laptop to re-order the remaining channels. What I think I'm getting is a subset of the available channels based on my previously re-ordered list.

2) Some channels in the EPG are missing logos

3) Any ideas what I might have used on my laptop to re-order the channels?
Embarassed

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TAPs: PcControl B1.4; EPG2MEI v0.96; MyStuff 6.6; Font Manager 1.0d; Extend v1.7; MyInfo B5.6; SecCache (UK) v0.4; EIT Sub (Game) v0.6; MHEG On/Off A3; PruneEPG 1.0; (fsSave 1.1);
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Geoff Bacon
Posted: Sun Apr 15, 2018 12:02 pm Reply with quote
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Assuming the laptop is windows

Install TopManager and
1) Connection| Open (set up a connection if required)
2) Display| MyInfo Log
Right Click in displayed data and "Select All"
Right Click again and "Copy"
Add post to this forum thread and Paste

While waiting for someone to comment on it:-

3) Tools |Install Files - install these
Freeview.dat
FvTxData.tsv
MyStuff logos (gramps)


Geoff

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TAPs: PcControl B1.4; StopExit v1.01; EPG2MEI v0.96; QuickJump 1.72; MyStuff 6.6; Font Manager 1.0d; Extend v1.7; SecCache (UK) v0.4; EIT Sub (Game) v0.6; MHEG On/Off A3; MyInfo B5.6; WSSkiller V2.12d; CrashTrace v0.4; fsSave 1.1; PruneEPG 1.0;
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jonnyw
Posted: Tue Apr 17, 2018 6:44 pm Reply with quote
Joined: 12 Feb 2010 Posts: 18
Thanks for the reply Geoff. The info is below. I've also (finally) got round to updating my forum signature.

P.S. Should I use the EMJB or GCB versions of the files?

Now I'm connected up, I'm happy to config/make any changes that you see fit, so any recommendations would be greatfully received Smile

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MyInfo B5.6 Logging settings etc on: 17/4/2018 at 11:41

Waiting for other TAPs to load and settle

Ini file found
Starting to record data 60 seconds from boot

System ID: 457
TV Output: Type = PAL, Video = RGB
Reported firmware version: TF-NPT 5.15.09T dated Sep 02 2010
Base firmware version: 5.15.09

Running TAPS:
   Slot 0: PcControl B1.4  :  Toppy control from PC
   Slot 1: EPG2MEI v0.96  :  Dumps the EPG data to disk as EPG.mei, with changes since last time in EPG_diff.mei
   Slot 2: MyStuff 6.6  :  UI Replacement
   Slot 3: Font Manager 1.0d  :  Manage TAP Fonts
   Slot 4: Extend v1.7  :  Uses the Accurate Recording info to extend recordings (safely)
   Slot 5: MyInfo B5.6  :  Displays & records Toppy basic info
   Slot 6: SecCache (UK) v0.4  :  Optimal (UK) section caching to reduce the load on the Toppy
   Slot 7: EIT Sub (Game) v0.6  :  Provides faster, simpler and more robust EIT data collection, except when playing games
   Slot 8: MHEG On/Off A3  :  MHEG control
   Slots 9 - 15 not used


Installed patch list:-  Ab Af Bf Bq C0 Ce Ck Cp Cw De Ec Ef Eg Em Ep Er Es Ev F Fm Gm H He Kt Mh Nf Ot Pc Pe R Ra Rh Rm Rp Rs S Sd Sf Sl Sr Sx Td Te Tf Tp Tq Tt Vr Xw Xl
Firmware MS6 Recommended F/W 12/9/2009  modified thus: ?ϴ
Patch Decode Link - Will explain your patches:
   http://www.toppy.org.uk/~simonc/dp.html?p=AbAfBfBqC0CeCkCpCwDeEcEfEgEmEpErEsEvFFmGmHHeKtMhNfOtPcPeRRaRhRmRpRsSSdSfSlSrSxTdTeTfTpTqTtVrXwXl

Time Mode set to Auto
Time Offset set to Auto

Found 106 TV channels and 32 Radio channels
No channel problems detected
LCNs of programme channels found on Tx Ch 37 are: 18, 19, 22, 25, 31, 35, 36, 39, 42, 47, 62, 71, 76, 79, 81, 206, 234, 672, 674, 698, 699, 711, 712, 713, 714, 715, 716, 717, 718, 725, 731, 732,
LCNs of programme channels found on Tx Ch 49 are: 11, 12, 17, 23, 29, 32, 38, 41, 43, 46, 48, 49, 60, 65, 72, 233, 252, 253, 673, 697, 723, 730,
LCNs of programme channels found on Tx Ch 50 are: 1, 2, 9, 201, 202, 231, 232, 250, 601, 700, 701, 702, 703, 704, 705, 706, 707, 708, 709, 710, 719, 720, 721, 722, 734,
LCNs of programme channels found on Tx Ch 58 are: 16, 20, 21, 26, 27, 30, 34, 37, 44, 54, 58, 59, 61, 63, 66, 70, 74, 77, 80, 83, 85, 203, 211, 251, 260, 261, 262, 263, 264, 265, 268, 269, 270, 271, 273, 274, 670, 671, 675, 678, 679, 695, 696, 724, 727, 728,
LCNs of programme channels found on Tx Ch 59 are: 27, 728,

Interactive Off
Timeshift On

Memory - Free: 6 MB,  Available: 3 MB
Disk - Total: 466 GB, Free: 47 GB

294 recordings (415 GB) + 5 deleted (4 GB) in 16 folders (+ 4 empty folders)

Time since boot: 0:0:1 (d:h:m)

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 [b]TAPs:[/b] PcControl B1.4; EPG2MEI v0.96; MyStuff 6.6; Font Manager 1.0d; Extend v1.7; MyInfo B5.6; SecCache (UK) v0.4; EIT Sub (Game) v0.6; MHEG On/Off A3;
Sig generated by [url=http://myweb.tiscali.co.uk/emjbtaps/MyInfo/MyInfo.zip]MyInfo[/url] on 17/4/18[/size]

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TAPs: PcControl B1.4; EPG2MEI v0.96; MyStuff 6.6; Font Manager 1.0d; Extend v1.7; MyInfo B5.6; SecCache (UK) v0.4; EIT Sub (Game) v0.6; MHEG On/Off A3; PruneEPG 1.0; (fsSave 1.1);
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Geoff Bacon
Posted: Tue Apr 17, 2018 7:34 pm Reply with quote
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@johnnyw

Suggest you use TM Tools| Install Files for the following
PrunePG
FreeView (GCB)
FvTxData (GCB)
MyStuff logos (gramps) - if not already done

You have too many channels and several of them are "Porn"!
Try
1) PcControl| Show menus
2) PcControl| Channel Management
3) "Identify My Transmitter" (where it shows current channels)
3a) Change "No restrictions" to at "least 4"
3b) Double click your required transmitter (this might not be necessary)
4) Perform Scan (you probably don't need this if you scanned the correct muxes previously)
5) Right Click in the display and "Select all Porn, Pay, Shopping..."
5a) scroll through the channel display and select any other channels you don't want
(usually anything in 231-299 and 602-699)
Memory is scarce on a 5810 so you want to remove all channels that you have no interest in)
6) "Delete Selected Channels"
7) Finalize

Having installed PruneEPG, you will need to redo your signature (I think there is an option in the PcControl submenu but it is probably easiest to reboot the toppy, wait 2 mins and "Display MyInfo Log"; then take it from there)

Post the new log once this is all done; someone else might spot something.

Geoff

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TAPs: PcControl B1.4; StopExit v1.01; EPG2MEI v0.96; QuickJump 1.72; MyStuff 6.6; Font Manager 1.0d; Extend v1.7; SecCache (UK) v0.4; EIT Sub (Game) v0.6; MHEG On/Off A3; MyInfo B5.6; WSSkiller V2.12d; CrashTrace v0.4; fsSave 1.1; PruneEPG 1.0;
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jonnyw
Posted: Tue Apr 17, 2018 9:13 pm Reply with quote
Joined: 12 Feb 2010 Posts: 18
Thanks so much for your detailed reply, that was exactly what I needed to get started again.

I've done as you said and updated my signature too.

I've removed the porn and shopping channels (I'd done this previously, but they came back when I did the manual scans last weekend - honestly!!). After a quick cull, I've now got ~65 TV and 24 radio channels. Is there a max recommended amount?

I still have the issue that pressing guide only displays 48 channels (and not all 65 - unless I manually go to one of the missing channels before pressing the guide button)

What's the best way to re-order the channels? (I suspect the above is a hangover from previously reordering the channels, but can't for the life of me remember how I did it)


MyInfo log (not sure if needed) is:
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MyInfo B5.6 Logging settings etc on: 17/4/2018 at 20:54

Waiting for other TAPs to load and settle

Ini file found
Starting to record data 60 seconds from boot

System ID: 457
TV Output: Type = PAL, Video = RGB
Reported firmware version: TF-NPT 5.15.09T dated Sep 02 2010
Base firmware version: 5.15.09

Running TAPS:
   Slot 0: PcControl B1.4  :  Toppy control from PC
   Slot 1: EPG2MEI v0.96  :  Dumps the EPG data to disk as EPG.mei, with changes since last time in EPG_diff.mei
   Slot 2: MyStuff 6.6  :  UI Replacement
   Slot 3: Font Manager 1.0d  :  Manage TAP Fonts
   Slot 4: Extend v1.7  :  Uses the Accurate Recording info to extend recordings (safely)
   Slot 5: MyInfo B5.6  :  Displays & records Toppy basic info
   Slot 6: SecCache (UK) v0.4  :  Optimal (UK) section caching to reduce the load on the Toppy
   Slot 7: EIT Sub (Game) v0.6  :  Provides faster, simpler and more robust EIT data collection, except when playing games
   Slot 8: MHEG On/Off A3  :  MHEG control
   Slot 9: PruneEPG 1.0  :  Program to remove unnecessary entries from the EIT table
   Slots 10 - 15 not used


Installed patch list:-  Ab Af Bf Bq C0 Ce Ck Cp Cw De Ec Ef Eg Em Ep Er Es Ev F Fm Gm H He Kt Mh Nf Ot Pc Pe R Ra Rh Rm Rp Rs S Sd Sf Sl Sr Sx Td Te Tf Tp Tq Tt Vr Xw Xl
Firmware MS6 Recommended F/W 12/9/2009  modified thus:
Patch Decode Link - Will explain your patches:
   http://www.toppy.org.uk/~simonc/dp.html?p=AbAfBfBqC0CeCkCpCwDeEcEfEgEmEpErEsEvFFmGmHHeKtMhNfOtPcPeRRaRhRmRpRsSSdSfSlSrSxTdTeTfTpTqTtVrXwXl

Time Mode set to Auto
Time Offset set to Auto

Found 65 TV channels and 24 Radio channels
No channel problems detected
LCNs of programme channels found on Tx Ch 37 are: 18, 19, 25, 31, 39, 42, 47, 62, 71, 79, 81, 206, 711, 712, 713, 714, 715, 716, 717, 718, 731,
LCNs of programme channels found on Tx Ch 49 are: 11, 12, 17, 29, 32, 38, 41, 46, 48, 60, 65, 72, 233,
LCNs of programme channels found on Tx Ch 50 are: 1, 2, 9, 201, 202, 231, 232, 601, 700, 701, 702, 703, 704, 705, 706, 707, 708, 710, 719, 720,
LCNs of programme channels found on Tx Ch 58 are: 20, 21, 26, 27, 30, 34, 37, 44, 54, 58, 59, 61, 63, 66, 70, 77, 80, 83, 203, 211, 724, 727, 728,
LCNs of programme channels found on Tx Ch 59 are: 3, 4, 5, 6, 10, 13, 14, 15, 24, 28, 33, 100,

Interactive Off
Timeshift On

Memory - Free: 7 MB,  Available: 4 MB
Disk - Total: 466 GB, Free: 47 GB

293 recordings (414 GB) + 6 deleted (5 GB) in 16 folders (+ 4 empty folders)

Time since boot: 0:0:1 (d:h:m)

Suggested signature for Toppy forum - copy following lines to signature block at http://forum.toppy.org.uk/forum/profile.php?mode=editprofile
[size=10][b]TF5810[/b], TS On, F/W: MS6 Recommended F/W 12/9/2009
 [b]TAPs:[/b] PcControl B1.4; EPG2MEI v0.96; MyStuff 6.6; Font Manager 1.0d; Extend v1.7; MyInfo B5.6; SecCache (UK) v0.4; EIT Sub (Game) v0.6; MHEG On/Off A3; PruneEPG 1.0;
Sig generated by [url=http://myweb.tiscali.co.uk/emjbtaps/MyInfo/MyInfo.zip]MyInfo[/url] on 17/4/18[/size]



Any other suggestions also welcome?

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TAPs: PcControl B1.4; EPG2MEI v0.96; MyStuff 6.6; Font Manager 1.0d; Extend v1.7; MyInfo B5.6; SecCache (UK) v0.4; EIT Sub (Game) v0.6; MHEG On/Off A3; PruneEPG 1.0; (fsSave 1.1);
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Geoff Bacon
Posted: Tue Apr 17, 2018 9:35 pm Reply with quote
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That is better - and you also have 4 MB memory free (previous was 3 MB)

Re the missing EPG channels, this is because you have a favourites list in MyStuff.

You can select a different list by pressing OPT when the EPG is displayed eg select All Channels)

You can easily edit these lists using "PcControl| Edit Favourites...".
Select the name of your required favourites file and use the arrow buttons to move channels into the list and/or reorder their position.

Geoff

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TopManager program
TF5800, TS On, F/W: MS6 Recommended F/W 12/9/2009 -Sy
TAPs: PcControl B1.4; StopExit v1.01; EPG2MEI v0.96; QuickJump 1.72; MyStuff 6.6; Font Manager 1.0d; Extend v1.7; SecCache (UK) v0.4; EIT Sub (Game) v0.6; MHEG On/Off A3; MyInfo B5.6; WSSkiller V2.12d; CrashTrace v0.4; fsSave 1.1; PruneEPG 1.0;
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Geoff Bacon
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TAPs: PcControl B1.4; StopExit v1.01; EPG2MEI v0.96; QuickJump 1.72; MyStuff 6.6; Font Manager 1.0d; Extend v1.7; SecCache (UK) v0.4; EIT Sub (Game) v0.6; MHEG On/Off A3; MyInfo B5.6; WSSkiller V2.12d; CrashTrace v0.4; fsSave 1.1; PruneEPG 1.0;
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jonnyw
Posted: Wed Apr 18, 2018 9:43 pm Reply with quote
Joined: 12 Feb 2010 Posts: 18
Thanks for that. I'm slowly re-organising the list.

Some more questions whilst I'm giving the box a good service!

Is it still recommended to give the box 15 mins of EPG update through the night, even after the PruneEPG tap has been installed?

Also, what's the process for rescanning channels (in I assume 3-6 months). Is it just a case of
- rescan using the utility in TopManager
- delete unwanted channels again
- reinstall Freeview.dat, FvTxData.tsv and MyStuff logos
- add any new channels to favourites list
- save/reboot

Is there any way to scan, but ignore the already deleted (e.g porn/shopping) channels?

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TAPs: PcControl B1.4; EPG2MEI v0.96; MyStuff 6.6; Font Manager 1.0d; Extend v1.7; MyInfo B5.6; SecCache (UK) v0.4; EIT Sub (Game) v0.6; MHEG On/Off A3; PruneEPG 1.0; (fsSave 1.1);
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Geoff Bacon
Posted: Wed Apr 18, 2018 11:56 pm Reply with quote
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Theoretically, there is no need to do the 15 min EPG each day provided that the box is switched on regularly (if not, MS has fewer days of future data to try and reschedule if it finds clashes)

I do run an EPG scan each day; I suggest you do the same. You probably need 20+ mins. This has the added advantage that the toppy awakens early each morning and, when the clocks change, corrects the clock prior to the next scheduled recording(allowing it to fire at the correct time).

You should be getting the toppy to switch off overnight. Use the TM | Check MyStuff option (you may have to hunt through the menus for it).

I normally rescan with TopManager; it should remember the channels you previously deleted (but not always!). TM shares the same data files as the ChannelOrganiser tap so you can also use that if you can't connect the pc to the toppy (CO also remembers deleted channels)

Don't do a manual scan; it requires a lot of effort to clean up and, for the infrequent scanner, will almost certainly lead to issues .

TM will tell you when a new FreeView.dat is available for download. If you are lucky, I may issue a new version of TM that also tells you that FvTxData also needs updating.
It is unlikely that it will ever tell you that the logos can be updated (these seem to change frequently, usually for channels that I think few will be interested in). Scanning and the logos are independent i.e. you don't need to update the logos before you scan.

You might want to install my fsSave tap (helps me recover your data if the disk gets corrupted).

Suggest you jot down, in your own words, exactly how you did the scan etc. You can then use this as a guide when you need to repeat it. You could just use this thread but your own words are better as it will reinforce what to do and will save you having to work through all the individual thread posts.

Geoff

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TAPs: PcControl B1.4; StopExit v1.01; EPG2MEI v0.96; QuickJump 1.72; MyStuff 6.6; Font Manager 1.0d; Extend v1.7; SecCache (UK) v0.4; EIT Sub (Game) v0.6; MHEG On/Off A3; MyInfo B5.6; WSSkiller V2.12d; CrashTrace v0.4; fsSave 1.1; PruneEPG 1.0;
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jonnyw
Posted: Sun Apr 22, 2018 9:29 am Reply with quote
Joined: 12 Feb 2010 Posts: 18
Thanks again for taking the time to assist with all this Geoff, it's been great help! Smile

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