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| 100949football |
 Posted: Sat Jun 18, 2011 11:31 am |
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juwlz wrote: alan_m wrote: juwlz wrote: re-running the Firmware installer should be a piece of cake. Running the firmware installer on a MAC may be a problem  but using HDFW again shouldn't  Oops! Missed / forgot the Mac bit of the equation. Sorry. alan_m wrote: A firmware transfer could take approx 0.5 hour @ 9600 baud ... or a minute or two at most over USB.
Julie
Hi friend,
I'm still desparate to avoid the "pain" of Mac firmware update. Unplugging and reconnecting machine etc and moving to be near the Mac etc. AND remembering how I did the last one - which I felt was a bit hit or miss I must admit.
Doing a transfer - machine to machine - still appears a much easier option for me.
Would I cause any harm to at least attempt it via rs232?????
What is the worst that could happen? |
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| alan_m |
| Posted: Sat Jun 18, 2011 12:00 pm |
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100949football wrote:
What is the worst that could happen?
It's virtually impossible to "brick" a Toppy in a way that you cannot recover.
The worst that is likely to happen is that transferring the firmware doesn't work and the original firmware on the 2nd machine gets corrupted and you are left with a seemingly dead box.
In this situation you will have to install the firmware in the old fashioned way. Microsoft windows users would have to use TFDN_USB but you are using a MAC and I believe the equivalent is ToFi which you have so far failed to get working on your first machine.
You do however have the advantage of having your first machine still working and you can experiment with getting ToFi working.
As you are discovering no-one on these forums appears to have used the RS232/RS232 method for transferring firmware so I doubt if anyone is going to give you a warm feeling about it working or not. |
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| 100949football |
| Posted: Sat Jun 18, 2011 12:22 pm |
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alan_m wrote: 100949football wrote:
What is the worst that could happen?
It's virtually impossible to "brick" a Toppy in a way that you cannot recover.
The worst that is likely to happen is that transferring the firmware doesn't work and the original firmware on the 2nd machine gets corrupted and you are left with a seemingly dead box.
In this situation you will have to install the firmware in the old fashioned way. Microsoft windows users would have to use TFDN_USB but you are using a MAC and I believe the equivalent is ToFi which you have so far failed to get working on your first machine.
You do however have the advantage of having your first machine still working and you can experiment with getting ToFi working.
As you are discovering no-one on these forums appears to have used the RS232/RS232 method for transferring firmware so I doubt if anyone is going to give you a warm feeling about it working or not.
I presume there would be no harm done to the data / programmes already recorded on the hard drive? |
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| alan_m |
| Posted: Sat Jun 18, 2011 1:04 pm |
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100949football wrote:
I presume there would be no harm done to the data / programmes already recorded on the hard drive?
I doubt if anyone can give a definitive answer as what happens with corrupted firmware is unpredictable but the risk is probably very low as
firmware is not on the hard drive - that's why you can run a Toppy as a basic Freeview receiver with the hard disk removed. |
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| Geoff Bacon |
| Posted: Sat Jun 18, 2011 1:20 pm |
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I suggest you just do what you did on the first toppy but, this time, make copious notes of how you did it. This will help you if/when you have to repeat the exercise.
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| 100949football |
| Posted: Sat Jun 18, 2011 5:11 pm |
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Geoff Bacon wrote: I suggest you just do what you did on the first toppy but, this time, make copious notes of how you did it. This will help you if/when you have to repeat the exercise.
Geoff
many thanks to all who have responded..............I'll just have to be brave and get on with!!!!!!!!!!!!!
When I pluck up the courage I'll report back. |
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| Morley |
| Posted: Fri Jun 24, 2011 10:39 am |
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I understand you are struggling to install updated firmware with a Mac. Why do you continue to inflict pain upon yourself? Surely you have a friend, relation or work colleague who might lend you their laptop to perform the task? Just a thought  |
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| 100949football |
| Posted: Fri Jun 24, 2011 10:48 am |
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Morley wrote: I understand you are struggling to install updated firmware with a Mac. Why do you continue to inflict pain upon yourself? Surely you have a friend, relation or work colleague who might lend you their laptop to perform the task? Just a thought
Now that IS a good idea..........many thanks!
Now I need a friend!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! |
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| juwlz |
| Posted: Fri Jun 24, 2011 11:48 am |
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Bearing in mind the trouble you had with the Mac, - find yourself a friend with a Windows XP laptop (not a 64 bit Vista or Win 7 one)
- Read the instructions on the Toppy firmware updates page before you start
- In particular, make sure you download AND INSTALL the Topfield Tools for Windows BEFORE you connect the Toppy to the laptop
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| alan_m |
| Posted: Fri Jun 24, 2011 1:21 pm |
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Now that really will confuse him The link no longer works
The Turbosat link still does:
http://www.turbosatdownloads.com/index.php?option=com_rokdownloads&view=folder&Itemid=11&id=2080:software
Scroll down to the end for the Topfield Toolset for Windows
DO NOT INSTALL ANY FIRMWARE YOU MAY FIND ON THE SAME PAGE
Note to admins - As many of the external links to Topfield are going missing wasn't Nigel going to get a copy of the tools to put on this site? |
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| juwlz |
| Posted: Fri Jun 24, 2011 6:00 pm |
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alan_m wrote: Now that really will confuse him The link no longer works
Of course, just redirecting the link to the download on the Turbosat site would be a quick and easy "fix" for Nigel to make  .
Julie |
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| underquark |
| Posted: Fri Jun 24, 2011 8:19 pm |
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| You have a working Toppy with an empty drive. You have a Toppy with a drive full of precious recordings but duff firmware. Swap the drives until you sort out the firmware issue? |
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| alan_m |
| Posted: Sat Jun 25, 2011 7:47 am |
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underquark wrote: You have a working Toppy with an empty drive. You have a Toppy with a drive full of precious recordings but duff firmware. Swap the drives until you sort out the firmware issue?
From previous posts, I'm not sure that Toppy 1, with the new firmware, is squeaky clean. The only TAP run on the machine was HDFW and the usual "problem" areas spotted by MyInfo, CO etc. may not have been identified. |
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