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giskard
Posted: Mon Nov 14, 2016 2:50 pm Reply with quote
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My 10 year old TF5800 (silver 160GB HDD) has recently started playing up, despite having a retrofitted PSU board so I swapped it out for a black 250GB model which I bought from someone local a few years ago. Now I'm finding that sometimes the 250GB unit makes a lot of noise which I guess is down to the HDD vibration causing the Toppy's case to reasonate. I've removed the HDD and put it back in again, making sure all the screws are tight and for quite a while the noise issue disappeared, but now the noise has returned with a vengeance so I'm thinking of replacing the HDD with a 256GB Sandisk SSD, cost around 60 quid + the cost of a PATA->SATA adaptor.

Has anyone tried doing this with a Toppy? Just wondering if it'd work? OR is there some other approach I could take with the noise issue?
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ccs
Posted: Mon Nov 14, 2016 3:44 pm Reply with quote
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Try this link....

http://forum.toppy.org.uk/forum/viewtopic.php?p=227489#227489

SSD's are mentioned, but remember that not all discs/adapters will work in a toppy.

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juwlz
Posted: Mon Nov 14, 2016 3:53 pm Reply with quote
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There have been discussions about using SSDs for a Toppy in the past. I don't recall the details, but I'm pretty sure it wasn't advisable because a PVR does rather more writing to disk that a computer typically would, and SSDs allow a relatively low number of writes before failing, compared with a spinning hard drive. On a PVR you're likely to write to it almost as often as you read from it (record a programme, watch it, delete it).

Of course, that information may be out of date, and things may have moved on; modern SSDs may be perfectly capable of sustaining the number of write operations that are likely to be needed before your Toppy bites the dust for other reasons.

Julie

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juwlz
Posted: Mon Nov 14, 2016 3:59 pm Reply with quote
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There's some discussion here and another thread here

Neither look terribly promising (and the consensus is that SSD is total overkill - if you can find one that will even work with a Toppy, regardless of how long it would last), but they are quite old threads.

Julie

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giskard
Posted: Mon Nov 14, 2016 4:11 pm Reply with quote
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Thanks all for the information, I don't think I'll be pursuing the SSD option that case.

Does anyone have any suggestion on how to curb the HDD vibration? I guess I could just swap out the 160GB drive from the older Toppy...
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Posted: Mon Nov 14, 2016 4:21 pm Reply with quote
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Try this thread...

http://forum.toppy.org.uk/forum/viewtopic.php?p=248824#248824

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andyfras
Posted: Mon Nov 14, 2016 5:39 pm Reply with quote
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I have found that some HDDs can cause enough vibration to make the circular front panel button rattle. Put on finger on the button to check if the noise stops. If it does, try removing the circuit board and put some padding on the switches (I use PVC tape).

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Posted: Tue Nov 15, 2016 3:02 pm Reply with quote
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ISTR someone cutting two squash balls in half and attaching
them to each corner underneath to dampen vibrations.

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Geoff Bacon
Posted: Tue Nov 15, 2016 3:27 pm Reply with quote
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You might also be able to use the HDDInfo tap to change the "noise" of the disk but it sounds, from your description, that you are just getting some sort of vibration. This may possibly be accentuated by what the toppy is sitting on.

As others have suggested, try touching bits to see if you can see what is the cause and/or put the toppy on something that stops it being in contact with a hard surface.

If that doesn't work, try running for a short while with the lid removed to see if this cures the problem (if it does, use something to dampen whatever is causing the noise)

Geoff

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Earl_Hickey
Posted: Tue Nov 15, 2016 8:06 pm Reply with quote
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giskard wrote:
Thanks all for the information, I don't think I'll be pursuing the SSD option that case.

Does anyone have any suggestion on how to curb the HDD vibration? I guess I could just swap out the 160GB drive from the older Toppy...


Mine did this and doesn't now (black panther 250GB Samsung disk).

I bought some rubber feet for the Toppy, and tightened (and, if I remember correctly, bent a bit) the metal divider inside between the front panel and the main box. Problem solved!

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giskard
Posted: Tue Nov 15, 2016 11:55 pm Reply with quote
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Thanks again everyone for your help and info, as suggested I checked to see if the HDD mount was correctly screwed down under the blanking plate behind the front panel and it wasn't, so I've corrected that and now the Toppy is extremely quiet, so a great result. Let's hope it lasts Smile

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MikB
Posted: Sat Nov 19, 2016 11:03 am Reply with quote
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Geoff Bacon wrote:
try touching bits to see if you can see what is the cause


... of course avoiding the big metal heatsink next to the hard drive when you do this, otherwise YOU will be vibrating Smile

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