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anthony2l
Posted: Fri Jul 27, 2012 8:48 am Reply with quote
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I'm running the 5810 with Mystuff 6.4 (6.3 until this morning) off the Nottingham transmitter on Freeview.

The EPG guide, which was only showing 3 days worth under 6.3 has now improved to 7 days, but I seem to remember it being nearer 14 days. Am I mistaken or is there something that can be done?

I note http://www.freeview.co.uk/Resolutions/About-Products/General/Problems-with-the-TV-guide-EPG-on-some-FTA-Thomson-or-Digifusion-boxes but am not sure if this affects me in any way.

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The Freeview guide is only 7 days (creeping into 8?)

When you install MyStuff, it can place an initial EPG file on the disk that is 14 days long; this is gleaned from the Radio Times web site.

If you only updated MyStuff today, you should either have 14 days (if the EPG file was downloaded) or 7 days (if captured over the air - [delete] perhaps you haven't waited 40 minutes with no keypad action?[/delete]).

Suggest you check that MyStuff option R1 is set to EPG.mei (If I remember correctly)

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juwlz
Posted: Fri Jul 27, 2012 12:14 pm Reply with quote
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anthony2l wrote:
I'm running the 5810 with Mystuff 6.4

The EPG guide, which was only showing 3 days worth under 6.3 has now improved to 7 days, but I seem to remember it being nearer 14 days. Am I mistaken or is there something that can be done?
Any OTA Freeview EPG will only give you 7-8 days' worth of data, i.e until just after midnight in a week's time.

You can increase this to 14 days by downloading and transferring Radio Times data to your Toppy, and EPG2MEI can merge this with the OTA data to get the benefits of the Series Link data for the coming week, but since you have a 5810, you will have to be very VERY careful not to run out of memory, or you're likely to get all sorts of unpredictable problems, including, but not restricted to, corrupting your hard drive. When you do a brand new MyStuff installation (i.e. one where you have no EPG file at all), the installer will copy a "starter" file, which includes RT data.

See Toppy Memory for more details.

Even without Radio Times data, I can't stress enough how important it is to prune your channel lineup down to about 40 or less (including radio) on any 5810 running MyStuff to avoid those same problems.

Julie

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anthony2l
Posted: Fri Jul 27, 2012 1:53 pm Reply with quote
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juwlz wrote:
anthony2l wrote:
I'm running the 5810 with Mystuff 6.4

The EPG guide, which was only showing 3 days worth under 6.3 has now improved to 7 days, but I seem to remember it being nearer 14 days. Am I mistaken or is there something that can be done?
Any OTA Freeview EPG will only give you 7-8 days' worth of data, i.e until just after midnight in a week's time.

You can increase this to 14 days by downloading and transferring Radio Times data to your Toppy, and EPG2MEI can merge this with the OTA data to get the benefits of the Series Link data for the coming week, but since you have a 5810, you will have to be very VERY careful not to run out of memory, or you're likely to get all sorts of unpredictable problems,



Thanks to all. I'll leave things as they are if that is how they should be working but certainly for the past few days only a 3 day epg hence my action to check and update.

More trouble I think than it's worth to try and be clever with manual downloads.

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juwlz
Posted: Fri Jul 27, 2012 8:18 pm Reply with quote
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anthony2l wrote:
Thanks to all. I'll leave things as they are if that is how they should be working
How many channels have you got? If it's more than 40 TV+Radio, then you really MUST do some pruning.

And if you post your MyInfo log here, we can see if there's anything else that might cause you problems.

Julie

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anthony2l
Posted: Fri Jul 27, 2012 9:56 pm Reply with quote
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juwlz wrote:
anthony2l wrote:
Thanks to all. I'll leave things as they are if that is how they should be working
How many channels have you got? If it's more than 40 TV+Radio, then you really MUST do some pruning.

And if you post your MyInfo log here, we can see if there's anything else that might cause you problems.

Julie


Log below. I only tune to Nottingham using fastscangui.tap, though to be honest my aerial is pretty iffy (overdue a new one) and reception of some MUX Channels is poor eg the MUX that Pick 11 is on. The new SignalMonitor.tap appears useful and at first glance tuner 2 is better than tuner 1.

MyInfo B5.6 Logging settings etc on: 27/7/2012 at 11:22
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Waiting for other TAPs to load and settle

Ini file found
Starting to record data 60 seconds from boot

System ID: 457
TV Output: Type = PAL, Video = RGB
Reported firmware version: TF-NPT 5.15.09T dated Sep 02 2010
Base firmware version: 5.15.09

Running TAPS:
Slot 0: EPG2MEI v0.96 : Dumps the EPG data to disk as EPG.mei, with changes since last time in EPG_diff.mei
Slot 1: MyStuff 6.4 : UI Replacement
Slot 2: MyInfo B5.6 : Displays & records Toppy basic info
Slot 3: Font Manager 1.0d : Manage TAP Fonts
Slot 4: Extend v1.7 : Uses the Accurate Recording info to extend recordings (safely)
Slot 5: SecCache (UK) v0.4 : Optimal (UK) section caching to reduce the load on the Toppy
Slot 6: EIT Sub (Game) v0.6 : Provides faster, simpler and more robust EIT data collection, except when playing games
Slot 7: MHEG On/Off A3 : MHEG control
Slots 8 - 15 not used

Installed patch list:- Ab Af Bf Bq C0 Ce Ck Cp Cw De Ec Ef Eg Em Ep Er Es Ev F Fm Gm H He Kt Mh Nf Ot Pc Pe R Ra Rh Rm Rp Rs S Sd Sf Sl Sr Sx Td Te Tf Tp Tq Tt Vr Xw Xl
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http://www.toppy.org.uk/~simonc/dp.html?p=AbAfBfBqC0CeCkCpCwDeEcEfEgEmEpErEsEvFFmGmHHeKtMhNfOtPcPeRRaRhRmRpRsSSdSfSlSrSxTdTeTfTpTqTtVrXwXl

Time Mode set to Auto
Time Offset set to Auto

Found 91 TV channels and 24 Radio channels
No channel problems detected
LCNs of programme channels found on Tx Ch 24 are: 3, 4, 5, 6, 13, 14, 28, 33, 102, 103,
LCNs of programme channels found on Tx Ch 27 are: 1, 2, 7, 9, 70, 71, 80, 81, 105, 301, 302, 700, 701, 702, 703, 704, 705, 706, 707, 708, 709, 710,
LCNs of programme channels found on Tx Ch 48 are: 12, 15, 18, 21, 22, 24, 32, 35, 40, 41, 42, 47, 85, 89, 93, 95, 100, 110, 111, 112, 116, 306, 711, 712, 713, 714, 715, 716, 718, 722, 725,
LCNs of programme channels found on Tx Ch 51 are: 10, 16, 17, 23, 26, 27, 30, 31, 34, 38, 39, 44, 60, 72, 91, 92, 99, 101, 104, 106, 113, 114, 115, 194, 307, 309, 310, 311, 724, 727, 728,
LCNs of programme channels found on Tx Ch 52 are: 11, 19, 20, 25, 29, 36, 37, 43, 46, 49, 62, 82, 87, 90, 94, 96, 97, 98, 108, 193, 723,

Interactive Off
Timeshift On

Memory - Free: 7 MB, Available: 6 MB
Disk - Total: 466 GB, Free: 271 GB

88 recordings (185 GB) + 0 deleted (0 GB) in 1 folders (+ 0 empty folders)

Time since boot: 0:0:1 (d:h:m)

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juwlz
Posted: Sat Jul 28, 2012 11:24 am Reply with quote
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anthony2l wrote:
MyInfo B5.6 Logging settings etc on: 27/7/2012 at 11:22
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Starting to record data 60 seconds from boot

Found 91 TV channels and 24 Radio channels

Memory - Free: 7 MB, Available: 6 MB
That's 115 channels, not 40.

At the risk of repeating myself, that's asking for trouble on a 5810. Only very recently, somebody's hard drive got trashed as a result of memory corruption because they didn't delete channels. And the more channels you have, the more chances you have of hitting the "disk wipe due to poor signal" bug.

Julie

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anthony2l
Posted: Sat Jul 28, 2012 8:08 pm Reply with quote
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juwlz wrote:
anthony2l wrote:
MyInfo B5.6 Logging settings etc on: 27/7/2012 at 11:22
=========================================

Starting to record data 60 seconds from boot

Found 91 TV channels and 24 Radio channels

Memory - Free: 7 MB, Available: 6 MB
That's 115 channels, not 40.

At the risk of repeating myself, that's asking for trouble on a 5810. Only very recently, somebody's hard drive got trashed as a result of memory corruption because they didn't delete channels. And the more channels you have, the more chances you have of hitting the "disk wipe due to poor signal" bug.

Julie


I'll have a go at pruning. Is there a TAP that retains the selections for re-tuning purposes? However as I've mentioned earlier my aerial requires attention and even if I prune I am likely unlikely to remove all weak transmissions channels (MUX's).

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Posted: Sat Jul 28, 2012 9:01 pm Reply with quote
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anthony2l wrote:
I'll have a go at pruning. Is there a TAP that retains the selections for re-tuning purposes? However as I've mentioned earlier my aerial requires attention and even if I prune I am likely unlikely to remove all weak transmissions channels (MUX's).
Sigh.. Please just read the Toppy Memory article. Everything you need to know is in there: WHY you need to do it, HOW you do it (including remembering channels), and the probable consequences of NOT doing it.

Reducing the possibility of getting a poor signal is actually a fairly incidental side-effect.

Julie

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anthony2l
Posted: Sat Jul 28, 2012 10:28 pm Reply with quote
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Quote:
Sigh..
Thanks and sorry for stretching your patience. There is an awful lot of stuff to absorb and there seems to have been a lot of development since I last seriously looked when I first installed MyStuff. DSO has meant a lot of retuning and I thought I had done well to find some of the taps that I already have.

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Please just read the Toppy Memory article. Everything you need to know is in there: WHY you need to do it, HOW you do it (including remembering channels), and the probable consequences of NOT doing it.
Yes I'll study it all as soon as I've got over the distraction of the Beach Volley Ball girls Smile

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juwlz
Posted: Sat Jul 28, 2012 10:38 pm Reply with quote
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anthony2l wrote:
Quote:
Sigh..
Thanks and sorry for stretching your patience. There is an awful lot of stuff to absorb and there seems to have been a lot of development since I last seriously looked when I first installed MyStuff. DSO has meant a lot of retuning and I thought I had done well to find some of the taps that I already have.
The current MyStuff installer should put everything you need in /ProgramFiles/Utilities

If you haven't already got FastScanGUI, Channel Organiser etc there, re-run the installer. It won't overwrite any of your settings.

Julie

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anthony2l
Posted: Sun Jul 29, 2012 10:00 am Reply with quote
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juwlz wrote:
The current MyStuff installer should put everything you need in /ProgramFiles/Utilities

If you haven't already got FastScanGUI, Channel Organiser etc there, re-run the installer. It won't overwrite any of your settings.

Julie


Yes, they were there though I already had them. I had misunderstood the functions in Channel Organiser. Got rid of some channels and my duplicated TAPS and will try more pruning today. As I'm not encountering any particular problems at the moment I think we can put this thread to bed and I'll raise a new topic if (when) I need further help. Thanks for staying with me.

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Posted: Sun Jul 29, 2012 10:57 am Reply with quote
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That information is now quite old. The InView 14 day EPG closed down just over two years ago making the various boxes involved (including the popular DHD4000 and Digifusion ranges) rather cumbersome to programme.

Unfortunately, the page you linked is undated so it can be misinterpreted as being current, but it was probably inserted sometime in June or July 2010.

See also this page dating from 29 June 2010.

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